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LtU Forum, Site DiscussionHow do Java generics correspond to System F-(omega)?
In his recent guest lecture in my undergrad PL course, Markus Mottl mentioned that ML-style module systems help his company develop and maintain software in the large. This guest lecture made me wonder how an ML-style module system could be expressed using Java generics. Because I've already translated an ML-style module system into System F-omega, could someone please point me at a comparison or translation between Java (generics) and System F(-omega)?
J2MEA nice article of J2ME programming made me wonder about alternatives to Java for J2ME development. I know there are other apporaches to mobile development, including native Python on Nokia phones, but that's not what I am asking about. I mean languages that target the JVM. There are many alternative languages for the JVM. Do none of them provide J2ME support? From what I could see Jython isn't an option since the interpreter alone needs more memory than found on normal phones. The fundamental difference between Sets and Lists?In my pursuit to implement persistent functional databases, I'm struggling with the difference between Sets and Lists. My question is to Lambda the Ultimate is: what's more fundamental? Set membership or the relative order between List elements? I tend to prefer Sets above Lists - because Sets are more succinct and because ordering can be expressed on top of Sets (although somewhat artificially). But things get even worse if we try to map the following (unsorted) List to a Set and vice versa: Yet if Sets are more general then Lists how then can we uniquely map c to C? But with this approach we are still stuck with the (position, value) List pairs. But not too surprising this can be rid of easily with the following generic mapping: Now that we established a perfect mapping from Lists to Sets and vice versa, we can conclude that Sets are more fundamental - not a big surprise if you think of Sets to be the basic building blocks of all mathematical theorems. But one interesting operation remains: the concatenation of Lists. Let's see if the previous mapping is capable in expressing the concatenation of Sets. First, let us consider the simple case: An alternative algorithm would be the concatenation of the greatest element of A to *all* elements of B. This would give: Another potential solution is: Regardless of this discussion, both articles are very much worth reading - especially because they encompass the thru functional style we all love. TinyScheme RevivedJust a brief note to let people know that the TinyScheme project has been revived. Dimitrios has graciously allowed me to adopt the project. My sense is that TinyScheme needs to be a good scripting language first, and a conformant Scheme implementation second. Regrettably, there are features of Scheme that are very hard to support in an environment where Scheme calls out to C and C must be able to call back into Scheme. In particular, "call/cc" is a true nightmare in this context, and I am (reluctantly) considering removing it (more precisely: leaving call/cc and dynamic-wind out when TinyScheme is compiled for scripting use). I would be very interested in discussion and advice on this point, since I don't want to walk any further away from conformance than is necessary. Best regards, Jonathan Shapiro Dynamic Software Updating for CPractical Dynamic Software Updating for C
Functional single argument style object oriented programmingSo I had this thought as regards a programming language. Basically it would a lot like forth, only instead of a stack there would be a default initial object. You get new objects by sending messages to this initial object. Things like numbers would actually be messages that would result in the receiver producing a new object to act like a number. The only thing you could write would be messages. Messages would be represented in the source file as whitespace separated strings, much like forth. Other than that there would be no syntax. Basically, I want you guys who all know a lot more than me to point out the flaws in this idea. Heres some examples of what I envision: 1 + 2 This would break down into: 1 Send the message "1" to the default object, this will result in a new object being returned that results in the integer 1. 1 + This sends the "+" message to the 1 object, which returns a new object an "adder". 1 + 2 This sends the "2" message to the "1 +" adder object. this results in a new object, a three. As you can see, messages are evaluated from left to right, and there are no arguments. A program in this language could almost be viewed as one giant single argument function. Unlike FORTH, you don't have to use post-fix notation (although there is no operator precedence, just as in Smalltalk). Due to the syntactic baggage of a class based object system I would suggest this be implemented as a prototyped system. A clone message could be used to well clone an object. You could then add methods to it by sending it another message: clone define-response hello string hello display end-define-response hello I have named my method definition method "define-response" since messages are pretty much the only thing you got, and your more responding to messages than invoking methods. Of course if the above is confusing it can of course be written as (I will borrow FORTHs commenting convention here):
clone ( Create a new object )
define-response hello ( define the hello method )
string hello ( Create a string with the contents "hello" )
display ( Display that string and return it )
end-define-response ( Finish the method definition and return the object )
hello ( Call the hello method of the newly created object )
Note that define-response creates an object that sets up some internal state. It receives its first message, it responds by naming the method for the object it is creating after the message it just receives. It then returns a new object that simply consumes and stores the messages it receives until it receives a message of end-define-response When it receives this response it creates the method in the object it was defining it for and returns that same object. You can now call additional methods on it, including defining more methods. You can see how any control structure can be implemented thru a combination of this kind of object and/or recursion. Nesting can be handling by having these objects maintain an internal stack, they need only recognize an invocation of themselves, any other nesting problems can be detected when the message is responded to. define-response x 1 end-response x display ( Prints 1 ) But that's verbose and creates the equivalent of global variables. It also has performance issues since x has to be evaluated every time it is called, this creates problems especially if the object created is complex. So I propose a slight modification to the define-response method. The creation of a define-response-immediate method. The only difference between the two would be that the body of a define immediate response would only be evaluated once, when the method was defined. Every other time the message was sent it would return the cached value. The rest of the issues with the verboseness of variables could be handled with additional methods, like copy_to e.g. 1 + 2 copy_to x It uses this "backwards assignment, since I'm trying to avoid parentheses, although they could be added. I look forward to any criticism. "Down with Lambda-Lifting"With regard to the absence of new posts (and Eric Meijer), I don't think this paper has been much discussed.
Note that this marked (on his home-page) as an unfinished draft. Not sure when it was last revised, but it looks post-1992. Actually I'm hopeing someone might be able to translate the gist of the paper to something a Schemer might understand :), since I think at least Chicken uses lambda-lifting. The content of this field is private and only visible to yourselfWhy do fields like Interests and Biography say they are private and only visible to yourself? What is the point of these fields if they are not public? I know my own biography, why do I need to cache a private version of it on LtU? System F with Type Equality CoercionsMore goodness appears to be in store for GHC, the Haskell compiler:
From SPJ: "I intend to change GHC to use FC as its intermediate language." Looking at it, from the very, very limited understand I have, it seems that the whole coercions being witnesses to type constraints looks similar to how proof witnesses are used in Epigram. Maybe someone more knowledgeable can explain the similarity? Flexible Addition of Static Typing to Dynamically Typed ProgramsAn idea occurred to me the other day, and I was wondering if anyone has seen anything like it. I'm sure I can't be the only one to have thought of this. The idea is to take the type annotations that we normally have in statically typed programs and place them in a separate file. A program in a language which allows this would look like it was dynamically typed, but static typing could be added progressively by adding declarations in a separate file. A good IDE could present a merged view of the source. The thought behind this is that languages seem to mix two concerns in the program text: 1) the form of the program, and 2) an error detection regimen enforced by the compiler. It seems that they could be decoupled. A piece of program text could, for instance, have one set of types in one program, and another set of types in another. Note that this has nothing to do with type inferencing. The idea is do to this for a "run of the mill" dynamically typed language. Here's a link to a blog describing the idea. I apologize for the lame attempts at entertainment at the beginning of the blog. They, regretfully, obscure my point a bit. |
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